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;;;;GREATER BOSTON 5/17/10
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SHOULD THE CITY OF
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BOSTON BAN THE BREED.
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THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOLOGY GRAPH
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OF THE STARS, KITTY KELLY WITH
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HER NEW BOOK ON THE DIVA OF TV
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>> Emily: GOOD EVENING.
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TWO PIT BULL ATTACKS IN THE LAST
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TWO WEEKS INCLUDING ONE ON A
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12-YEAR-OLD BOY HAVE PUT
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DANGEROUS DOGS BACK IN THE MEDIA
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SPOTLIGHT.
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BUT A FLAW IN LAW IS BEING
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WIDELY IGNORED BY PIT BULL
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OWNERS REFUSING TO MUZZLE THEIR
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DOGS IN PUBLIC OR PAY THEIR
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FINES WHEN CAUGHT.
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SOME POLITICIANS SAY, IT'S TIME
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TO GIVE THAT LAW MORE TEETH, BUT
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ANIMAL ADVOCATES SAY, PEOPLE NOT
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PUPS ARE THE PROBLEM.
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PIT BULL OWNER NICK BURNS ADMITS
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HIS 85 POUND PIT BULL, SPANKY,
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CAN SEEM FRIGHTENING TO KNOWS
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WHO DON'T KNOW HIM.
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>> SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT HIM ARE
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INTIMIDATED BY HIM.
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HE'S BIG AND STRONG.
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BUT ONCE THEY SEE HIM START
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WAGGING HIS TAIL THEY USUALLY
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WARM UP TO HIM.
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>> Emily: BURNS IS SO
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CONFIDENT OF HIS DOG'S GENTLE
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NATURE THAT HE, LIKE A LOT OF
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OTHER BOSTON OWNERS, ROUTINELY
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IGNORE THE CITY ORDINANCE
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REQUIRING PIT BULLS TO BE
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MUZZLED IN PUBLIC.
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>> IT COULD BE A GOLDEN
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RETRIEVER WALKING DOWN THE
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STREET THAT IS VICIOUS, THEY
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DON'T HAVE TO BE MUZZLED.
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DOGS ARE HUMANS THEY WOULD
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CONSIDER IT RACISM I THINK.
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>> Emily: HALF THE DOGS IN
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THE MSPCA SHELTER THIS MORNING
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WERE EITHER PIT BULLS OR PIT
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BULL MIXES, THE SOCIETY'S KARA
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SAYS BOSTON'S PIT BULL ORDINANCE
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CREATES A GLUT.
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>> IT MAKES THEM HARDER TO 'TOP
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AND IT JUST MAKES STEREOTYPE
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MORE PREVALENT, AS YOU CAN SEE
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FROM MANY OF THE DOGS THAT ARE
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HERE IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
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>> Emily: THE MSPCA SPORTS
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TOUGH LAWS REGULATING DANGEROUS
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DOGS.
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FOCUSING ON BEHAVIOR NOT JUST
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CERTAIN BREEDS.
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>> WE CERTAINLY URGE COMMUNITIES
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TO HAVE STRONGER -- NONBREED
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SPECIFIC THAT ARE ENFORCED.
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>> Emily: ENFORCEMENT HAS
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BEEN A PROBLEM.
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LAST WEEK THE "BOSTON HERALD"
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REPORT THE FOUR OUT OF FIVE
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FINES LEVEED AGAINST PIT BULL
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OWNERS HAVE GONE UNCOLLECTED.
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SHE SAYS THE BOSTON ORDINANCE IS
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BASED MORE ON PERCEPTION THAN
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REALITY.
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>> THERE'S BEEN STUDIES THAT
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SHOW THAT IF A GOLDEN RETRIEVER
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HAD A BITE OF CERTAIN SEVERITY
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YOU COMPARE TO A PIT BULL A
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SIMILAR BITE THE PIT BULL WILL
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GET REPORTED MANY MORE TIMES
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OVER.
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WE NEED TO LOOK BEYOND JUST WHAT
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WE'RE HEARING IN THE MEDIA.
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>> Emily: PIT BULL ATTACKS
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MAKE FOR SENSATIONAL HEADLINES,
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SHE SAYS BEHIND BAD DOGS OF
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EVERY BREED IS A HUMAN BEING WHO
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USED BAD JUDGMENT.
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>> BEFORE THE PIT BULL, IT WAS
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THE ROTWEILLER.
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BEFORE THAT THE DOBERMAN THEN
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THE SHEPARD.
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SORT OF BEEN A BREED OF CHOICE
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FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO, QUOTE,
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UNQUOTE, TOUGH DOG.
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>> Emily: MAKING DANGEROUS
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DOGS A TOUGH PROBLEM TO CURB.
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JOIN ENEMY IS BOSTON CITY
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COUNSELOR ROB CONSALVO AND
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WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU.
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YOU WANT TO TOUGH THEN ORDINANCE
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WHO LEANS ON PEOPLE'S -- LIENS
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ON PEOPLE'S HOMES AND EXCITE
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TAXES, HOW WOULD THAT WORK?
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>> ONE OF THE ISSUES LIKE ANY
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CIVIL ORDINANCE WHEN WE WRITE
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TICKETS, DOES NOT ANY REAL LAW
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THAT BACK UP THE COLLECTION OR
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ANY LEGAL STANDING THAT MAKES
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CIVIL VIOLATIONS BE ACCOUNTABLE
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TO THOSE WHO HAVE TO PAY THEM.
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>> Emily: WHY NOT LIKE A
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PARKING TICKET?
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>> STATE LAW HAS TO ALLOW THAT
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TO HAPPEN.
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WHAT WE HAVE DONE, FOR EXAMPLE,
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WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TICKETS IS
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TICKETS FOR NOT SHUFFLING SNOW
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OR HAVING A MESSY YARD, WE'VE
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GOT PERMISSION FROM THE
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LEGISLATURE TO ATTACH THAT TO
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PROPERTY TAXES SO PEOPLE ARE
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FORCED TO PAY THEM ONE WAY OR
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THE OTHER.
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MY PROPOSAL NOW TO HAVE THE
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FINES LEVEED AGAINST THE PIT
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BULL ORDINANCE, ALSO BE ATTACHED
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TO PROPERTY TAXES OR LIENS OR
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EXCISE TAXES.
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WE UNDERSTAND THAT MANY PIT BULL
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OWNERS MAY NOT BE HOME OWNERS
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BUT EVERYBODY DEPRIVES A CAR OR
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OWNS A HOME EM WHAM HAS
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CONVINCED YOU THAT THIS DOG IS
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SO DANGEROUS?
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>> JUST MULTIPLE INCIDENTS.
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DATA, STATISTICS IN THE CITY OF
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BOSTON, MULTIPLE, VERY HIGH
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PROFILE, SCARY INCIDENCE RELATED
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TO THE DOG MOST RECENTLY THIS
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PAST SASS DAY WHERE THIS IS
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SECOND OR THIRD TIME ON OFFICER
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HAS HAD TO DISCHARGE A WOMEN
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ININ PUBLIC TO STOP THE DOG FROM
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ATTACKING THE HUMAN BEING.
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ALL ONE PERSON NEEDS CRIME WATCH
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GROUP, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
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NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, FAULK TO
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FOLKS ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT THEY
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HAVE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
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SPECIFICALLY HIT BULLS.
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NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE MANY DOGS IN
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THEM.
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BUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN
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NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS SPECIFIC
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ISSUES WITH THE BREED PIT BULL,
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EITHER ATTACKING THEIR ANIMALS
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OR OTHER PEOPLE.
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DATA IN THE CITY SHOWS IT.
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LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF REPORTED
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DOG BITES ON HUMANS AND DOG
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BITES ON DOGS ARE DATA DRIVEN BY
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PIT BULL BREEDS, JUST CLEARLY
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SHOWS IN URBAN AREA LIKE BOSTON,
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IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE
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600,000 PEOPLE WITH THAT
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POPULATION DOUBLING EVERY DAY,
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PEOPLE LIVE ON TOP OF EACH
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OTHER, THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO
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HAVE SOME KIND OF LAWS IN PLACE
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THAT ASK PIT BULL OWNERS TO TAKE
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EXTRA PRECAUTION WHEN THEY HAVE
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THE DOGS.
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>> Emily: WE'VE HEARD THE
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MSPCA'S ARGUMENT, IT'S PEOPLE
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NOT THE PETS.
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BUT IT'S HARD, GOING TO BRING A
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PIT BULL HERE, MY STAFF -- I WAS
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FINE WITH IT.
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BUT THE CREW -- YOU PROBABLY
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WOULD HAVE BEEN.
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THE CREW JUST TOO NERVOUS ABOUT
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IT.
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THERE'S GOT TO BE -- A LOT OF
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DOGS, DOBERMANS, ROTWEILLERS,
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SOMETHING TO IT.
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THERE HAS TO BE.
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>> THERE'S SOMETHING TO
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DANGEROUS DOGS.
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THERE IS SOMETHING TO THE MEDIA
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COVERING HIGH PROFILE CASES AS
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THE COUNSELOR MENTIONED.
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IT'S THE MEDIA'S ATTENTION TO
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SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
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PAYING ATTENTION TO FOR A SHORT
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PERIOD OF TIME.
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BEFORE THAT, THEY DID PAY MORE
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ATTENTION TO ROTWEILLERS, THE
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STATISTICS WE'RE SEEING IN THE
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CITY OF BOSTON DON'T SUPPORT
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THIS ORDINANCE AT ALL.
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WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING TWICE AS
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MUCH OF A PERCENTAGE OF THE DOGS
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THAT COME IN TO THEM, THE MSPCA
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BEING SURRENDERED BECAUSE OF DOG
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BITE ARE LABRADOR RETRIEVERS.
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I'D CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO SAY IF
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THEY WERE GOING TO GO FORWARD
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BAN LABRADOR RETRIEVERS OR ADD
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THEM TO THE LAW.
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WE SEE IT DRIVEN MORE BY THE
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MEDIA'S COVERAGE EVER IT.
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WE DO AGREE FUNDAMENTALLY ON THE
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BELIEF THAT THERE ARE DANGEROUS
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DOGS.
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THERE ARE DOG OWNERS NEED TO BE
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HELD RESPONSIBLE.
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THEY NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT
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IS ACCEPTED BY THE COMMUNITY NOT
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NECESSARILY SHUNNED OR SHIRKED
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AS WE SAW BEFORE, BUT IT NEEDS
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TO BE ACCEPTED.
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THAT'S WHAT WHEREAFTER.
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WE'RE AFTER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
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THAT WOULD KEEP PEOPLE FROM
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BEING --
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>> Emily: THERE IS A REASON
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WHY PEOPLE AND COUNSELOR'S
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COMMUNITY ALL GET PIT BULLS,
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THEY'RE SCARY, DANGEROUS, THEY
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FRIGHTEN PEOPLE.
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THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVE
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THEM.
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THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T HAVE BIJON
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FRICAIS.
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>> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SEE.
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WE DEAL WITH HUNDREDS OF PIT
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BULLS, THOUSANDS OF DOGS A YEAR.
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THE PIT BULLS THAT WE SEE,
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MAJORITY ARE LIKE ANY OTHER DOG.
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OF YOUR BAD APPLE BUT YOU HAVE
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MANY OF THEM THAT ARE CUDDLY,
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THE ONE I WAS PLAYING WITH
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SEVERAL TODAY WHO ROLL OVER LIKE
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YOU SCRATCH THEIR BELLY, THEY GO
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UP TO CHILDREN.
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MANY CHILDREN COME IN TO THE
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MSPCA AND VIEW WORK WITH THE
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DOGS.
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AND THEY COME UP TO PIT BULLS AS
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MUCH AS THEY COME UP TO A GERMAN
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SHEPARD BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T
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BEEN IN UNDATED.
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>> Emily: THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT
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YOU HAVE THERE.
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>> THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN UNDATED
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WITH THE IMAGE YET.
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>> IT'S NOT JUST THE IMAGE BUT
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THE DOG ITSELF.
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A LOT OF THE CASES THE DOG IS
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MUCH STRONGER, IT HAS A TEETH
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AND JAW THAT LOCKS HARDER ON
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PEOPLE.
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THE FACT THAT GROWN MAN, ADULT,
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A STATE TROOPER COULDN'T
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PHYSICALLY GET THE DOG OFF OF
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THE LITTLE BOY.
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I HAVE MANY OF THESE CASES, YET
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POODLES BITE, YES, GOLDEN
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RETRIEVERS BITE.
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BUT THEY DON'T DO THE DAMAGE
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THAT THE PIT BULLS DO, THEY
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DON'T ATTACK WITH THE FREQUENCY.
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THEY DON'T ATTACK WITH THE
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FEROCIOUSNESS.
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REALLY ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS
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IS, WHEN THE DOG IS IN ATTACK
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MODE GETTING THE DOG TO SPOT,
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PRY THE JAWS OFF OF PERSON OR
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THE DOG IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
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IT'S WHY OFFICERS AND SEVERAL
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CASES HAVE HAD TO DISCHARGE
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THEIR WEAPONS IN PUBLIC IN THE
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VICINITY OF BASEBALL FIELDS AND
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OTHER HOMES.
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>> Emily: HOAR ONLY STORY IN
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ANDOVER TWO WEEKS AGO, MAY 7,
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WHERE -- WOMAN WAS ATTACKED, THE
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HUSBAND FINALLY HAD TO GO IN
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TOTANUS GET A KNIFE AND STAB THE
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DOG TO DEATH BEFORE IT LET GO.
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>> IT'S REASONABLE IN URBAN
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AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF
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PEOPLE, OTHER ISSUES LIKE GANGS
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AND VIOLENCE THAT THE DOGS ARE
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USED FOR THAT.
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YES, I AGREE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
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USING THE DOGS WRONGLY SHOULD
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ALSO BE PROSECUTED AND
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ADDRESSED.
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BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE REALITY
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IS, THAT IN URBAN AREAS, IN
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CITIES WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH
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POPULATIONS IT'S REASONABLE TO
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ASK PIT BULL OWNERS TO TAKE
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EXTRA PRECAUTIONS.
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I BELIEVE FIVE YEARS LATER THAT
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THE ORDINANCE IS A VERY MODEST
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ORDINANCE HAVING A DOG MUZZLED,
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THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THAT
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ATTACK IN HYDE PARK HAD DOG BEEN
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MUZZLEED.
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IF IT HAD, WAS ON PUBLIC WAY,
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THINGS LIKE HAVING BEWARE OF DOG
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SIGN SO UNSAYS SECTING PEOPLE
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DON'T GET ATTACKED ENTERING THE
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PROPERTY.
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RESTRICTIONS OF HOW MANY YOU CAN
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HAVE.
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THAT IS FAIR IN AN URBAN
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ENVIRONMENT EM WOMEN DO YOU
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STAND ON THE ORDER ANSWER IN
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GENERAL?
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>> IT'S VERY NARROW MINDED.
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IT DOESN'T TAKE IN TO ACCOUNT
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OTHER DOGS THAT ARE DANGEROUS.
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I PERSONALLY WITNESSED OTHER
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BREEDS THAT HAVE LATCHED ON TO
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ANIMALS, PEOPLE, THAT CANNOT BE
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REMOVED BY ADULTS.
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THAT ARGUMENT DOES FALL SHORT.
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AND I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO BE
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ACCOMPLISHED HERE, LOOK AT THIS
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PROBLEM AS A DOG BITE PROBLEM
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WITH DANGEROUS DOGS.
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NOT A SPECIFIC BREED.
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BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY, EVEN
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IN DISCUSSION HERE WE'RE ONLY
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TALKING ABOUT TWO STORIES
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BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE MEDIA.
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WE HAD LABRADOR RETRIEVER LIKE I
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MENTIONED BEFORE SURRENDERED
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BECAUSE IT BIT SOMEBODY LAST
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WEEK.
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YOU DON'T HEAR THAT STORY.
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IT DOESN'T SELL NEWSPAPERS OR
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CATCH --
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>> Emily: DID SOMEBODY HAVE
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TO SHOOT IT TO GET IT TO STOP?
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>> THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING IT
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IN.
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>> Emily: THAT'S WHY THE
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OTHER STORY --
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>> ONLY THIS ONE HAVE WE HEARD
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OF RECENTLY WHERE THIS HAPPENED,
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WHERE AS WE DO RECEIVE PIT BULLS
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THAT HAVE -- SAME AS ANY OTHER
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BREED, THESE EXTREME MEASURES --
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>> Emily: WHY ARE SO MANY
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PEOPLE SURRENDERING PIT BULLS,
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IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE
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ORDINANCE.
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I DID A STORY WITH YOU TEN YEARS
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AGO, IT WAS SURRENDERING THEM
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THEN.
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>> A LOT OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF
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THINGS LIKE AN ORDINANCE OR --
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>> Emily: THERE WAS NO
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ORDINANCE.
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>> THE BAD IMAGE THAT THEY HAVE,
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PEOPLE ARE --
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>> Emily: OR IRRESPONSIBLE
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PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEM.
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>> SUBJECTED TO LANDLORDS THAT
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PEOPLE WON'T ALLOW THEM IN
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APARTMENTS.
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FACING BIAS BY INSURANCE
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COMPANY.
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NO REASON OTHER THAN THAT THESE
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DOGS RECEIVE HIGH PROFILE
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IMMEDIATE MEDIA COVERAGE WHICH
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OTHER BREEDS ARE NOT RECEIVING.
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>> Emily: TOM BRADY JUST GOT
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ONE, MAYBE --
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>> I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU'RE
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TALKING ABOUT IS THE FACT.
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THE FACT THAT IN CITY LIKE
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BOSTON THERE ARE MORE ISSUES
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REACHING THE MEDIA.
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I'D ASK YOU ONLY TO COME OUT TO
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COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND CRIME
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WATCH AND LISTEN TO MY
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CONSTITUENTS, THE FOLKS IN MY
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DISTRICT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
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IT'S NOT AS INFREQUENT AS PEOPLE
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WOULD THINK.
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IT'S THE ORDINANCE OF DRIVEN OUT
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OF THE DEMAND FROM PEOPLE IN THE
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COMMUNITY TO SAY, ROB, YOU ARE
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MY COUNSELOR GET SOMETHING ON
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THE BOOKS TO HELP US STOP THIS
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PROBLEM.
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>> Emily: THANK YOU.
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WHEN WE CONTINUE, OPRAH WINFREY
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AS YOU'VE NEVER KNOWN BEFORE.
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